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From: "Ed Broecker" <>
Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Hello group -
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:36:32 -0600
References: <D7EA54BE82524F6492304B64FE46B5FB@BeckyHome>


Becky,

If you can find someone with Ancestry access, they might look at the
immigration records of crossings into Detroit from Canada for you. I am not
sure of the dates of that file, but it is a start.

Ed


----- Original Message -----
From: "Becky" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 11:19 PM
Subject: [G-P-L] Hello group -


>I gave a brief intro quite awhile ago. I am still rarely able to do
>genealogy but when I do, I am at that proverbial "brick wall". I have all
>the censuses from back almost when they began, to when my ancestors died.
>My problem is everyone came over during the era when the records were
>destroyed, married over here (at least the 2nd marriages) before this
>country or my state of MI began keeping records. So I am really at a loss.
>I have yet to be able to track even a naturalization paper of any order.
>The towns I've been to say they don't have the naturalization records at
>all though I am not convinced this is accurate. Most hindering is the fact
>that none of these people seem to have any idea who bore them. Even Bertha,
>who's mother Albertina came here, did not have her mother's info correct on
>her marriage certificate. She shows up as Teann Albert. A good transpostion
>of Albertina.
>
> Here's what I've found in records in towns, on line, and by finding their
> gravesite in Boyne City, MI. My maternal Ggrandfather came from Canada
> (can't track him either) and married (2nd marriage for him) a Prussian
> woman Bertha Dallman in 1888 in Ludington, MI. Bertha Bishop and her
> husband Joseph Bishop bought and sold much property all over the northern
> and middle part of lower MI as he worked the lumber and woodworking areas.
> Some of it, I found in records, was sold back to an August Dallman. I
> believe Bertha came over as an Albrecht and our family has her mother as
> Albertina Albrecht. Albertina was the wife of August Dallman on the
> property records found in Ludington, MI, in the late 1800's so I suspect
> her husband either died in Prussia or on the journey here. We have no info
> on this marriage. On exactly one census I have found that Bertha listed
> her immigration date as 1884 from Prussia. Our family info has her from
> Berlin, which I can't confirm even looking at the G!
> erman records I can access. I have never found her on a ship manifest with
> her mother Albertina, so I assume they must have come over individually.
> Have never found an immigration date for Albertina, though every census
> and Bertha's marriage records show her from Prussia also. Nor have I been
> able to find any further history on Albertina Albrecht's marriage to
> August Dallman, or any information at all on him as there are many August
> Dallman's. I haven't figured out a way to reduce that yet. The only info
> on him was from the property deeds.
>
> As Chuck pointed out, Bertha can be found in a Muskegon census. Yes, she
> was there living next door to one of her daughter's after Joseph Bishop
> (LeVeque) died and after she had remarried a John Tyron. Apparently he had
> died by that time too. She is my Ggrandmother.
>
>>From what I have been able to put together from family and tombstones is
>>this: Albertina Albrecht Dallman b: 1840, died Feb or Mar (tomb wasn't
>>very legible), 2 or 4, 1917. No known death certificate or place. Will try
>>for another trip up north at some point to recheck records. Daughter
>>Bertha (nee Albrecht/Dallman) Bishop b:1868, d: 6-26-1930. place of death
>>also not known. These people had lots of money so these individuals could
>>have died anywhere in MI state and been shipped to Boyne City. One of the
>>property records also had Bertha buying and selling property "in her own
>>right" as owner of a fur factory in Boyne City, while she lived in
>>Ludington. Can't confirm that either as so far only men seem to be
>>memorialized for their deeds.
>
> I have no other info and have been searching for a long time for a way to
> confirm, clarify, or conform any of the data. Typically from what I've
> found birth dates for females can be correct to any year within about a 5
> yr span. So I'm not sure even the bd's are valid. they certainly don't
> correspond to any ship logs I've found so far, so I don't know what ships
> they came on, into what port (although I am suspecting Canada at this
> point), or when. The only other fact I have is that my grandfather and my
> grandmother were Catholic, so I suspect the Prussians were Catholic. I
> also have a family photo of this group and even though my Ggrandfather
> came from Quebec and was supposedly French, he looks every bit as German
> as the rest of the family. This is not a slam of course. I also am very
> much German.
>
> I would very much appreciate any direction or suggestion as to how to go
> about things from this point. My income and travel are severely limited
> due to disability so I can't run around to look. I have to have a very
> good idea where I'm headed first. This group seems to be extremely
> knowledgeable and I find your info fascinating. I would also be open to
> anyone telling me I am making incorrect assumptions, etc. Thanks in
> advance for any suggestions or help.
>
> Becky in MI
>
>
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