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From: Karl MacEachron <>
Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Off Subject But Genealogy Related
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:49:49 -0700
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Danke!

Karl MacEachron

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:08 PM, <> wrote:

> Spelled or pronounced ?
>
> The old (1600) Ei ch ner the newer (1700 & Today) Eu ch ner many time gets
> pronounced UCKNER and the verbal being translated to paper as Hubner and
> Uker --
>
> H is and isn't based on heard - pronounced and/or written based on where
> and when - so go search all the passable scenario's -
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/20/2011 2:25:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
>
>
> There is a road named after a family surname who settled in Macomb Twp.
> MI.
>
> Thilch= changed to and pronounced TILK.
>
> Just to add my 2 cents.
>
> Phil
>
> Kuehn
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: "Brigitte Jahnke" <>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:42:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Off Subject But Genealogy Related
>
> Hi Bobbi,
>
> you are right, the "h" in Witthen is not pronounced, it is an old way of
> spelling, today still in use in a word like "Thron" (throne), and in
> many family names such as Theissing, Thiede, Theuerkauf, Bothe,
> Nathmann, etc., or maybe in the name of the river Warthe. People bought
> "Thee/Tee/tea" and "thun/tun/ to do" was written in a way that today is
> rather strange to most Germans.
> The "h" never was pronounced, it has been called the "begleitende h/
> collateral h". Most of these collateral "h" have been dropped since a
> reform of German Ortography in 1901.
> After that reform some families changed the spelling of their names,
> others didn't.
>
> The unpronounced "h" in Christoffer or Christina is something different.
>
> Brigitte
>
>
> Am 20.10.2011 20:20, schrieb Bobbi:
> > Hi Ursula,
> >
> > I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you. It is quite possible for
> names
> > to have an "h" in it that is not pronounced.
> >
> > My grandmother's maiden name is Theussert. And that is the way it is
> > written in the German records. Also think of the name Christof or
> > Christian. They are also spelled with the letter "h".
> >
> > Bobbi
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ursula"
> > To:<>
> > Sent: 20 October, 2011 1:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Off Subject But Genealogy Related
> >
> >
> >> Karl,
> >>
> >> unlike in the English language, in the German any words are pronounced
> the
> >> way they are spelled, by that I mean to say that
> >> the name "Whitten" would first of all not be spelled with an "h" and
> would
> >> be pronounced to rhyme with "written", without the "r" of course.
> >>
> >> That said, if your ggrandma's maiden name was pronounced to rhyme with
> >> "Whiting" then the German derivative could have been spelled as
> >> "Weiting" [rymes with "writing"], or "Weiding" [rhymes with "siding"].
> >>
> >> Let's see what Vera can come up with.
> >>
> >> Ursula
> >
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