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Subject: [GM-L] Brig, Thaddeus, Missionaries to HAWAII, 1820 .. TURNER (KIDDER)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 11:05:48 +0000
While trying to learn more about the wife of a Charles Albert KIDDER who had
been born in Maine ~1860, I came across a strange turn of events. Probably
around 1884.. Charles left New Brunswick where this "John KIDDER" family was
then livng and went to Honolulu, Hawaii.
I will mention my question first, and then explain the turn of events in
Charles KIDDER's life. ... I'd like to know if there are any Lists where the
Brig, THADDEUS, has been discussed. According to an on-line .. time-line of
"1820 First American Protestant Missionaries arrive aboard the brig,
Thaddeus, from New England"
I am looking for information on a TURNER man or a TURNER family which might
have been on that ship. I learned of a Charles Perry TURNER who was reported
to have been born in Honolulu, Hawaii, in approx. 1820. I thought this was a
little early for people with "English surnames" to be living in Hawaii, so I'm
wondering if his parents were some of the Missionaries. If so, this would
mean that Charles came from a .. New England TURNER family.
To get back to Charles Albert KIDDER, he married Josephine Dorothy VOELLER in
Honolulu, Hawaii (HI?), in October 1885. Charles and Josephine KIDDER *
remained in Honolulu and raised many children there.
According to records at the LDS web site, Josephine was born in 1866 in San
Francisco, CA, and her parents were John Baptiste VOELLER and Harriet Mahelani
TURNER. John was reported to have been born in Paris, France, in ~1843.
(the VOELLER surname might be Dutch or German) Harriet was reported to have
been born in Honolulu, Hawaii, in 1848. Harriet was reported to be the
daughter of .. Charles Perry TURNER .. and ..Kahomaeha (or Maeha).. (no
surname). Because of her name and Harriet's middle name, my guess is that
Kahomaeha was a "native Hawaiian." According to a Census record, she might
have been a "Chinese Hawaiian." (The "Chinese" began arriving in Hawaii in
John VOELLER and Harriet TURNER reportedly married in San Francisco, CA, in
~1865. They must have gone back to Hawaii at some point because their
daughter, Josephine (b1866 CA), married in Honolulu in 1885 (to Charles
FYI: I found a note on a TURNER Message Board mentioning a Professor William
Beecher TURNER who had been born in Honolulu, Hawaii, in 1858. And, the
message said that his parents were .. Missionaries. This William TURNER ended
up in Washington State (wife from NY?).
This is another "clue" to the "guess" that there was a TURNER couple on the
brig, Thaddeus. .. The "timeline" mentioned that the brig came from New
England. Was the Thaddeus from Massachusetts? And, if so, was the TURNER
family from Massachusetts?
I do not need to know much about the TURNER family. I have just become
curious about this "international family" which my distant relative, Charles
KIDDER, married into. :o) (Remembering that both the KIDDER and TURNER
families might have been both - New England families.) :o)
Thank you for your time.
Betty (near Lowell, MA)
* Charles KIDDER is a nephew of my ancestor, Joseph KIDDER, of Princeton, ME.
The first KIDDER in my line to head to the ME/NB border was Calvin KIDDER,
b1765 in New Ipswich, NH. He went to NB/NS ~1783, but was not a Loyalist; he
probably traveled with his friends' families. Calvin was descended from the
KIDDER patriarch, "Ensign James KIDDER 1626-1676 of Cambridge and Billerica,
MA." Joseph KIDDER, my great-great-grandfather, served in the Civil War.
... For my fellow-genealogists:
This month I have discovered that
the COMCAST E-Mailbox is totally
USELESS !!! During next month I
will be un-subscribing from all
the Mailing Lists (20+) until I
can figure out an alternative way
of participating! But, I will
check the Archives of each List
every week to see if there are
queries I want to respond to.