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From: "Joan & Wayne Wilton" <>
Subject: Re: [SCOTS-IN-CANADA] Betty's New Lists (Quebec)
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 00:07:43 -0500
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My Scottish connection is through the Gunns who left Dornoch, Scotland in
1813 aboard the Prince of Wales to the Red River Settlement. This was the
immigration that saw Capt. Turner put in at Ft. Churchill because typhoid
had broken out on the ship. Everyone who was sick and those who wanted to go
with them, including ships crew, were put off and left in the care of a
single white man and natives. Those that recovered are the settlers who
walked from Ft. Churchill to York Factory in what's been called the
'overland trek'.
The Hudson Bay Company was in control at the Red River Settlement but the
North West Fur Company was still in operation and squabbling between the two
factions made life miserable. So did living conditions and after a couple of
years, my Gunns and some of their friends and neighbours who immigrated with
them from Scotland, wanted to leave and come to the Talbot Settlement in
Elgin county, Ontario. Permission wasn't given to them to leave and so Angus
Gunn who is said to have been as brave as he was big, overpowered the man
guarding the canoes and with the help of a North West Fur company guide, the
small group left the west and arrived at 16 mile Creek near Col. Thomas
Talbot's land after being on the road, so to speak, for about 2 years. They
canoed, following what was called the 'old canoe route.' Not all the Gunns
that are related to me and who were the same family left at the same time
for Ontario. Angus, George and their father and sisters came first. The
sisters married along the way.The father was Donald, a shoemaker and age 69
when they left the highlands. One sister, Catherine, died at Ft. Churchill.
Then young Donald came and lastly Benjamin Gunn when his term of employment
with the Hudson Bay Company finished 1828. Angus who was one of the first
got here about 1817. Others from the Red River Settlement eventually left
for Iowa and a settlement of like minded Scots. Scotch Groves I think.I have
the book, the Silver Chief, about Lord Selkirk and have found some useful
information in it.
My Dad's side of the family is really my brick wall. The first one to settle
in Canada arrived at York co., Ontario c 1780 from New Jersey. I am
currently trying to connect this man's father, James Dawdy, to a James
Dawdey also of N.J. who participated in the French Indian War. I've scoured
the internet for N.J. muster rolls or anything else I can find relating to
the miltary of that time and have come up empty handed except for a widows
pension application who claims she is the daughter of James Dawdey. It is
really frustrating and ever so easy to make assumptions and just say the
James are one and the same but I want proof.
Oh well, it's late and my eyes are itchy from peering so long at the
moniter. Thanks for your message and offer of a lookup.
Joan Dawdy Wilton
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lauraine Syrnick" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SCOTS-IN-CANADA] Betty's New Lists (Quebec)


> Hi Joan & Wayne:
>
> There are some records of the earliest Lord Selkirk settlers (a ships
> list),
> but not too sure about the ones in 1817. You did not giver a surname
> which
> would be helpful. Believe there were some early census or at least lists
> on
> the people in the settlement. Please post the surname and will do a
> looksee
> for you.
>
> Problems between the Norwesr Fur Co. & Hudson Bay had some settlers going
> to
> Ont. Lots of books and history on all this. However 1780ish sounds more
> like someone involved in the fur trade perhaps settling in Ont. (Upper
> Canada). 1780's might even suggest a loyalist connection and thinking on
> it
> suggests Lower Canada. One site with some hisgtorical information from
> 1790's is:
>
> http://www.linksnorth.com/canada-history/upper.html
>
> Cda West was not split into Upper (Ont) and Lower (Quebec) until about
> 1791! - note am not sure of these dates.
>
> Lauraine
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joan & Wayne Wilton" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [SCOTS-IN-CANADA] Betty's New Lists (Quebec)
>
>
>> My Scots part of the family were Selkirk settlers to Manitoba and who
>> trickled into Ontario from there beginning c 1817. Dad's family came into
>> the Niagara region beginning c 1780ish. I'd hoped to find some
>> immigration
>> info on the lists but I now think it was too early for Canadian records.
>> You do a good job with your lists so keep up the good work. Have a great
>> day,
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Betty" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [SCOTS-IN-CANADA] Betty's New Lists (Quebec)
>>
>>
>>> Hi Joan,
>>>
>>> Thank you for thinking of me. Yes, I started that List last February,
>>> and
>>> we average about 280 subscribers.
>>>
>>> Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> P.S. Last week I started up another new List. I haven't had time
>>> to
>>> set it up, yet, but researchers should be able to subscribe to it:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I had thought about starting up a new List for Argenteuil County,
>>> Quebec,
>>> but, I found out that the counties north of the St. Lawrence River are
>>> now
>>> grouped into municipalities. A little investigating showed that a
>>> good
>>> part of this area is part of the Laurentian Mountain range. I
>>> decided
>>> that might be an appropriate title. But, when I checked the Message
>>> Boards, I found out there is a Laurentides Message Board. So, I
>>> decided
>>> my new List should have the same title as the Board.
>>>
>>> An FYI is that there has been a List for "the Former Township of Gore"
>>> for
>>> several years. And, researchers can post a query for other parts of
>>> Argenteuil County. That is where the KERR / HENDERSON family-group
>>> settled. That "former town" is where Lachute and Lakefield are now.
>>>
>>> (Don't forget that some place-names in Quebec Province have both English
>>> names and French names.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)
>>>
>>>
>>> Remember to check the archives of all the Lists and Boards for your
>>> surnames
>>> and place-names.
>>> And, please remember to check the on-line auctions for for your surnames
>>> and
>>> place-names.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We may have arrived on different ships but we're all in the same boat
>>> now.
>>> :o)
>>>
>>>
>>> (thinking genealogy)
>>> (possibly first said by Martin Luther King, Jr.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joan & Wayne Wilton" <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [SCOTS-IN-CANADA] Looking for Betty
>>>
>>>
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