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From: "Lorine McGinnis Schulze" <>
Subject: Re: [UPP-CAN] GIBLIN surname
Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:20:55 -0400
On 26 May 2005 at 13:31, J Hansen wrote:
> Here's what I do know about the siblings' early details:
> John GIBLIN, born ca. 1838 in Ontario (died 1889 in
> Michigan). By
> the 1860 U.S. census, he is in Wayne County, New York.
> Nellie GIBLIN, born probably 24 December 1841 in Ontario
> (died 1892
> in Michigan). By the 1860 U.S. census, she is in Wyoming
> County, New York.
> Kittie/Katherine GIBLIN, born 1847/48, probably in
> Hamilton, Ontario
> (died 1880 in Florida). By the 1860 U.S. census she was in
> Seneca County, New York.
> I have not been able to locate them in the 1850 U.S. census
> leads me to believe they were still in Ontario at that
> Could someone recommend how I could get a check of the 1841
> and 1851
> Ontario census?
These are not indexed, but since you have that family story
of Hamilton, why not check in that area in the 1851 census?
See http://allcensusrecords.com/canada/ for help with the
different years. Some are online (very few) and some are
indexed (not many), so you may get lucky.
> Also I am hoping for suggestions as to what other records
> resources to check to find them in Ontario.
I would check land records. See if any GIBLIN individuals
can be found in or near Hamilton before 1860.
Land records are very useful. Originally all land in
belonged to the Crown. Although there were small areas of
settlement in 1763 after the British took over, major
settlement of Upper Canada began in 1783 and utilized Crown
The CLRI is an index which summarizes land grants from
of of Crown Land in Ontario, from Canada Company sales and
leases, and from Peter Robinson settlers' grants. It
provides invaluable clues for further research!
Given the early settlement time period, there is a very
chance your James will be found there. Most settlers bought
land soon after arrival, although of course there were
exceptions to this - some lived with family previously
settled, others had no urgent need for land (a blacksmith
didn't need land as urgently as a farmer for example)
Getting back to the CLRI, it only shows the first time
of Crown Land so if your ancestor purchased land from
someone else his/her name will not show on this index but
is still a very useful tool. Not only does it provide you
with exact location (township, lot #, conc. #) it provides
you with a date of transaction, whether or not there were
special circumstances surrounding the transaction (a free
grant, a hardship grant, a military grant, etc), and it
provides you with an Archival Reference number. This AR
number can provide more detail; often it does not but it is
still a stone that should be turned.
With a date of transaction you have narrowed the field for
Beyond that the value of the CLRI is in the interpretation
of the one line index entry -- which can lead you to other
avenues of research.
I have a more detailed explanation of the CLRI and other
land records in Ontario on my site under my ONTARIO
section. Go to
Once you have the exact land location for your ancestor
(lot, conc #, township and county) you can venture into
records such as the Abstract Indexes to Deeds and Township
papers, which can contain a wealth of genealogical
You will need to do this through the LDS microfilms (I know
you said you weren't near a FHC but that is one of the
places that has this info), or the Ontario Archives or
through ILL...it depends where you are and what records you
-- Lorine McGinnis Schulze
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