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From: "Joan Gallagher" <>
Subject: Re: Margaret Ellen YOXALL (b1852)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 22:27:56 +0930
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Bob, regarding your thoughts as to whether Elizabeth and Ellen are maybe the
same person, I've no doubt you have already checked the following two
marriages out but I thought I'd mention them in case you haven't. These
are from the IGI

John KIRK marrying Ellen POOLE on 29 December 1835 at Warmingham.
John KIRK marrying Elizabeth LAWTON on 2 July 1843 at Manchester Cathedral.

As the 1861 census shows Ellen to have been born in Warmingham, the
Warmingham marriage seems to be the correct one relating to that particular
John and Ellen. A bit off putting the fact that on the 1871 census she is
listed as being born at Wharton, but I have found in a number of cases in my
own family history at times they have tended to give their birthplace as the
place where the census was taken...also not to be forgotten is the way
people spoke (and heard!) so maybe Wharton could have been wrongly noted for
Warmingham.

As the John KIRK/Elizabeth LAWTON marriage took place between 1835 and
the1861 census I can only think that this was a different John KIRK
altogether. I haven't seen the entry in the 1851 census, but were John and
Elizabeth living in Cheshire then or were they in the Manchester area?
It's just that people from all sorts of places would sometimes choose
Manchester Cathedral to get married so there's no telling where this John
and Elizabeth came from.

Then again, as you say, Elizabeth and Ellen could be one and the same
person. How did Elizabeth's age on the 1851 census compare with Ellen's
age on the 1861 census?

Yes, it is fun, speaking for myself I enjoy some of these little mysteries,
definitely helps to keep the brain ticking over!

Cheers......Joan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Kirk" <>
To: "Joan Gallagher" <>; <>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: Margaret Ellen YOXALL (b1852)


> Hi Joan
>
> Thanks for the feed back. I think I'll save my pennies in this case.
>
> The BAKER reference was interesting as in 1851 there is a John BAKER
> staying with John & Elizabeth KIRK. I'm still trying to sort out if
> Elizabeth & Ellen are one and the same or did Elizabeth die and John
> remarried an Ellen.
>
> Fun isn't it?
>
> Bob KIRK
> Dukinfield
> Cheshire
>
> Http://KirkSoft.co.uk
>
> www.fhsc.org.uk/fhsc/dukinfield.htm
>
> Interests Are:
> KIRK (Crewe & Manchester)
> DAWSON (Manchester)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joan Gallagher" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 3:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Margaret Ellen YOXALL (b1852)
>
>
>> Bob, the only bit of information I have on her is that she was the
>> illegitimate daughter of Hannah YOXALL. Her baptism is taken from the
>> Middlewich Parish Records:-
>>
>> 27 September 1852
>>
>> Margaret Ellen d/o Hannah YOXALL, Winsford, Spinster.
>>
>> Sorry I don't know (yet) which Hannah this is. I really only have one
>> Hannah in my records who would be of the right age to fit the bill and
>> that is Hannah Baker YOXALL, who was baptised at Middlewich on 6 May
>> 1829. She was the daughter of John YOXALL and Ellen BAKER. Ellen died
>> quite young and John went to Lancashire, re-married and had more
>> children. I don't know what became of Hannah.
>>
>> Seeing as Margaret Ellen was the illegitimate daughter of Hannah I'm not
>> too sure you will gain much more information by buying the certificates.
>>
>> Best wishes..........Joan
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Kirk" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:07 AM
>> Subject: Margaret Ellen YOXALL (b1852)
>>
>>
>>> Does anyone have any more details on this lady? Margaret Ellen YOXALL
>>> (b1852)
>>>
>>> She first appears 'Boarding' with John KIRK and his wife Ellen on the
>>> 1861 census in Wharton. She is aged 8 yrs.
>>>
>>> She then appears on the 1871 census as the daughter of John & Ellen KIRK
>>> aged 18ys.
>>>
>>> On the 1881 census I believe she is married to John Fryer.
>>>
>>> I have the references for her Birth Certificate WI/08/068 and Marriage
>>> Certificate NOR/5/105 from CheshireBMD. Before I go ahead and purchase
>>> these certificates I was hoping someone might have a bit more
>>> information.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob KIRK
>>> Dukinfield
>>> Cheshire
>>>
>>> Http://KirkSoft.co.uk
>>>
>>> www.fhsc.org.uk/fhsc/dukinfield.htm
>>>
>>> Interests Are:
>>> KIRK (Crewe & Manchester)
>>> DAWSON (Manchester)
>>>
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